When your funny comic starts becoming a preachy commentary about government and your personal commentary starts becoming so ultra-Conservative.
I’m afraid I’m going to stop reading Ratfist really soon, and start advocating that my friends do the same. I realize it is funny if it would stay on track about being about a crazy crimefighter fighting Idoicracy. But it’s now moved into “I HATE GAY PEOPLE AND BROWN PEOPLE AND EUROPE AND SENSIBLE LIBERAL THOUGHT.”
Here’s how the conversation went:
“I don’t live in the US, actually, so no, The US government doesn’t control me in ways i wouldn’t believe…
“As for the marriage debate, well, i’ll have to say you’re right, it shouldn’t be a debate at all. You don’t put the rights of a minority up for public vote, you enforce them regardless of what the majority thinks. If they can’t live knowing that even gays have the same rights as they do, maybe America isn’t the country they want to live in. Maybe they should move to a theocracy that resembles them more.”
“But in America (and this would be alien to Canada and Europe) we have a thing called freedom of Religion, freedom of expression, freedom of creed and freedom of speech. It is specifically our right to hold our “minority” religion and vote accordingly that makes America unique. So though the majority thinks every church ought to be forced to perform gay weddings, the minority traditional religious perspective is protected by the Constitution…and be careful how you undermine that right because it’s the same place where we find our right to be our race, be our sex and be treated equal to others. ANd the rights of the minority in this instance are in tact. Everyone, regardless of sexual identity, has the right to marry someone of the opposite sex. That’s the law, it’s fairly applied to all. There are minority groups that are for multiple marriage partners, and we put those more controversial ideas up for a vote. Nobody seems to mind the outcome of those results when they’re in fashion with pop-culture.”
“Alright, first of all, how could you think that, Mister TenNapel? How can you think that freedom of religion, freedom of creed and freedom of speech are exclusive to America? Do you honestly believe that every country save for yours is some repressive autocracy devoid of freedom?
“Yes, we have freedom of religion, expression, speech, creed… Some of those a bit redundant, but… whatever. We have those here. We also elect our leaders democratically. (Goes on to quote stats and talk about European socialism).”
“Do you honestly believe that every country save for yours is some repressive autocracy devoid of freedom?”
Just compared to ours. We kick ass.
Again, why we kick ass.
“You know, if you don’t have (a) will and die right now, your wife would inherit your stuff.”
Neither could my gardener, but I shouldn’t have to marry him to work those details out. I don’t have a problem with anyone visiting anyone in the hospital… but we both know this isn’t about hospital visits.
“What argument do you have specifically against letting two adult men who love each other marry?”
The same argument I have against letting a man take a dump in the ladies room. And office appropriate for one sex isn’t automatically appropriate for another, no matter how much a man loves taking a dump in the ladies room.
“Lastly, i’m at least thankful you’re not equating gays to pedophiles or zoophiles. That’s more respectful than some.”
Give me some time all I’ll see what I can do. You realize this conversation is going to be used by your people to justify a permanent boycott of my work. They would probably use this argument to justify me not being able to visit anyone in any hospital while they’re at it. This argument isn’t about laws and marriage, it’s about cultural witch hunts. There are a lot worse things than not being able to marry your same sex.
“Right now, some states are, in fact, fighting to remove rights from people. Is that right?”
“America has thousands of people’s rights taken away every day. Take a number.”
My Response (which appears to be sitting there waiting for TenNapel to approve it when he approved another comment I made almost right after it was approved, so no one sees my argument right now)
“Actually, that’s not Constitutional. No one argues that marriage between a man and a woman is Constitutional, because there is nothing in the Constitution about marriage. Yet, the argument that people keep using for same sex marriages argues Constitutionality and “WE ARE A CHRISTIAN NATION” as reasons for preventing it.
“It is in this that I eskew more traditional Christianity. Almost every tenant in the Bible is about not judging others and not forcing them to do God’s will. It’s about not sinning yourself, and turning your other cheek should you be sinned against. So even though I don’t believe that same sex marriages are sinful, I don’t think it’s my place to stop them from commiting sin. It’s like saying that I must now stop you from watching movies that have murder and violence in them, because Jesus is against violence and murder. Or add whatever thing you like to do that’s normally frowned on by the Church but you’re allowed to do it anyway because it’s not the Church’s place to force you NOT TO DO IT.
“I love people who argue that we’re supposed to prevent others from sinning. That’s against the whole gift of Free Will in the first place – people are allowed to sin and figure this stuff out on their own. Usually these are the same people telling the government and other people to respect their privacy and ability to choose.
“And I love people who compare same sex marriage to crime – social and economic studies show that same sex marriages in a given location do not have a negative impact i.e. lawlessness and economic depresssions. In fact, states that allowed same sex marriages actually benefitted economically and found tha most people minding their own business did not find the neighborhood falling apart.
“I will never understand homophobes and the homophobic tradition of religion. It is actually one of the least sensible traditions next to not eating fish on Fridays during Lent and abstinense only education against the natural urges of the human body.”
And that’s the reality, really. It’s not about RIGHTS, it’s about COMFORT. People who fight same sex marriages are actually fighting for their religous comfort over other people’s rights. Every single argument about sin, about economic impact, etc. that is refuted with fact ends with the person arguing against same sex marriage saying something along the lines that “THE BIBLE SAYS IT’S A SIN.” Again, the bible was written by men who were uncomfortable with people doing things that were considered non-traditional, so of course the bible condemns those things (although most things outlawed in the bible are no longer outlawed in society with no adverse consequences i.e. excessive drinking and such). It has nothing to do with what is right.
Mr. TenNapel is a sexist, homophobic artist. Sorry, but that’s the way he comes across and it’s appalling. I’m not boycotting him because I’m one of what Mr. TenNapel calls “those people” – I’m boycotting him because he’s arrogant and ignorant. I removed his links from my sidebars.